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	<title>Kommentare zu: Kult</title>
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		<title>Von: Trans Am</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>Trans Am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick:

No, I am saying that it is somewhat ridiculous to accuse Guevara of not creating freedom or social justice in Latin America when at the time both concepts were very elusive in almost all other Latin American countries as well (and in may ways they remain elusive to this day...). 

To answer your question: You should respect Cuban sentiments towards Guevara simply because Cubans have just as much right as you to decide who they like or dislike. Doesn&#039;t mean you have to agree...

And to call the Cuban people as a whole &quot;cowards&quot; because they did not overthrow Castro in more than 4 decades is frankly quite arrogant, unbecoming and silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick:</p>
<p>No, I am saying that it is somewhat ridiculous to accuse Guevara of not creating freedom or social justice in Latin America when at the time both concepts were very elusive in almost all other Latin American countries as well (and in may ways they remain elusive to this day&#8230;). </p>
<p>To answer your question: You should respect Cuban sentiments towards Guevara simply because Cubans have just as much right as you to decide who they like or dislike. Doesn&#8217;t mean you have to agree&#8230;</p>
<p>And to call the Cuban people as a whole &#8220;cowards&#8221; because they did not overthrow Castro in more than 4 decades is frankly quite arrogant, unbecoming and silly.</p>
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		<title>Von: antibuerokratieteam.net</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2592</link>
		<dc:creator>antibuerokratieteam.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kult, Teil 2...&lt;/strong&gt;



Auch Richard Herzinger kontrastiert den popul&#228;ren Heldenmythos mit dem historischen Ernesto Guevara, dem todess&#252;chtigen Stalinisten:
In Guevaras Forderung, die    Revolution m&#252;sse selbst um den Preis von Millionen Opfern in einem Atomk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Kult, Teil 2&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Auch Richard Herzinger kontrastiert den popul&#228;ren Heldenmythos mit dem historischen Ernesto Guevara, dem todess&#252;chtigen Stalinisten:<br />
In Guevaras Forderung, die    Revolution m&#252;sse selbst um den Preis von Millionen Opfern in einem Atomk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Von: Henning</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2580</link>
		<dc:creator>Henning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://che-mart.com/


Be a non-conformist because everybody else is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://che-mart.com/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://che-mart.com/'>http://che-mart.com/</a></p>
<p>Be a non-conformist because everybody else is!</p>
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		<title>Von: TCHe</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2578</link>
		<dc:creator>TCHe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er hatte das Gl&#252;ck, jung zu sterben. W&#228;re Castro in Bolivien get&#246;tet und Guevara Maximo Lider geworden, w&#228;re eben Fidel der gro&#223;e Star (OK, f&#252;r manche ist er es trotzdem).

Aber der totalit&#228;re Che ist nur eine Facette. Es gibt auch noch den Apokalyptiker, der einem Bin Ladin alle Ehre gemacht h&#228;tte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er hatte das Gl&#252;ck, jung zu sterben. W&#228;re Castro in Bolivien get&#246;tet und Guevara Maximo Lider geworden, w&#228;re eben Fidel der gro&#223;e Star (OK, f&#252;r manche ist er es trotzdem).</p>
<p>Aber der totalit&#228;re Che ist nur eine Facette. Es gibt auch noch den Apokalyptiker, der einem Bin Ladin alle Ehre gemacht h&#228;tte.</p>
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		<title>Von: Alrik</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2577</link>
		<dc:creator>Alrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only a hero like Che would arrive and overthrow Castro... oops</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only a hero like Che would arrive and overthrow Castro&#8230; oops</p>
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		<title>Von: Björn</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2575</link>
		<dc:creator>Björn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Those cowards lived under Castro for decades without overthrowing him, they deserve no respect.&lt;/i&gt;

*Klatsch, klatsch, klatsch*
(Bitte nicht mit Applaus verwechseln, das ist das Ger&#228;usch der flachen Hand mit der ich mir gerade vor die Stirn schlage.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Those cowards lived under Castro for decades without overthrowing him, they deserve no respect.</i></p>
<p>*Klatsch, klatsch, klatsch*<br />
(Bitte nicht mit Applaus verwechseln, das ist das Ger&#228;usch der flachen Hand mit der ich mir gerade vor die Stirn schlage.)</p>
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		<title>Von: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying Guevara wasn&#039;t that bad because other regimes were also bad? Sorry, this doesn&#039;t convince me. I am gay; if I had lived in Cuba in the times of the Revolution I would have been sent to a Gulag. Excuse me if I find this inacceptable. And why should I respect the Cuban sentiments towards Guevara? Those cowards lived under Castro for decades without overthrowing him, they deserve no respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying Guevara wasn&#8217;t that bad because other regimes were also bad? Sorry, this doesn&#8217;t convince me. I am gay; if I had lived in Cuba in the times of the Revolution I would have been sent to a Gulag. Excuse me if I find this inacceptable. And why should I respect the Cuban sentiments towards Guevara? Those cowards lived under Castro for decades without overthrowing him, they deserve no respect.</p>
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		<title>Von: Thomas Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2572</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herr Posener hat sich auch zum Thema ge&#228;u&#223;ert.
http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/politischesfeuilleton/676079/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herr Posener hat sich auch zum Thema ge&#228;u&#223;ert.<br />
<a href="http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/politischesfeuilleton/676079/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/politischesfeuilleton/676079/'>http://www.dradio.de/dkultur/sendungen/politischesfeuilleton/676079/</a></p>
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		<title>Von: Trans Am</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2565</link>
		<dc:creator>Trans Am</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I go a long way with anyone who says that the peronality cult around Che Guevara is blown way out of proportion. However, the article in Slate quoted here misses the point in a number of ways.

Whatever Che Guevara may have been guilty of, for sereval million Cubans he remains a hero, as much today as 50 years ago when the revolution took over from a discredited, corrupt and oppressive dictatorship that even the US did not want to support any longer. The article claims that he created neither freedom nor social justice - maybe, but where in Latin America did you find freedom and social justice in the 50s and 60s? The history of the &quot;democratic&quot; countries on the continent are by and large an endless series of military coups, brutal dictatorships, civil wars, abject poverty and social unrest and inequality. And Cuba is so much worse because of Che Guevara? Worse than what happened at ESMA or in Chilean prisons in the 70s and 80s? I don&#039;t condone any of the violence and oppression brought on by socialist revolutionaries but the backlash from right wing dictatorships and their lackeys was just as bad if not worse.

Nobody has to love Che Guevara. But if the Cuban population at large considers him a hero for what he did for them in the 50s in a fight that was not his own, then who are you to say it shouldn&#039;t be so? 

Paul Berman does not like the movie &quot;The Motorcycle Diaries&quot;. Fine, but what does that have to do with the concept of freedom and social justice and the history of Latin America? And by the way, a guayabera is not a black tie but the traditional Cuban white, short sleeved shirt worn untucked. If Paul is waxing about Cuban dissidents and their poetry he should at least get the translation right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go a long way with anyone who says that the peronality cult around Che Guevara is blown way out of proportion. However, the article in Slate quoted here misses the point in a number of ways.</p>
<p>Whatever Che Guevara may have been guilty of, for sereval million Cubans he remains a hero, as much today as 50 years ago when the revolution took over from a discredited, corrupt and oppressive dictatorship that even the US did not want to support any longer. The article claims that he created neither freedom nor social justice &#8211; maybe, but where in Latin America did you find freedom and social justice in the 50s and 60s? The history of the &#8220;democratic&#8221; countries on the continent are by and large an endless series of military coups, brutal dictatorships, civil wars, abject poverty and social unrest and inequality. And Cuba is so much worse because of Che Guevara? Worse than what happened at ESMA or in Chilean prisons in the 70s and 80s? I don&#8217;t condone any of the violence and oppression brought on by socialist revolutionaries but the backlash from right wing dictatorships and their lackeys was just as bad if not worse.</p>
<p>Nobody has to love Che Guevara. But if the Cuban population at large considers him a hero for what he did for them in the 50s in a fight that was not his own, then who are you to say it shouldn&#8217;t be so? </p>
<p>Paul Berman does not like the movie &#8220;The Motorcycle Diaries&#8221;. Fine, but what does that have to do with the concept of freedom and social justice and the history of Latin America? And by the way, a guayabera is not a black tie but the traditional Cuban white, short sleeved shirt worn untucked. If Paul is waxing about Cuban dissidents and their poetry he should at least get the translation right.</p>
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		<title>Von: rantingkraut</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2560</link>
		<dc:creator>rantingkraut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>F&#252;r die, die Spanisch verstehen, hier noch ein Film: &lt;A href=&quot;http://www.cubaverdad.net/che_anatomy_of_a_myth.htm&quot;&gt;Che: anatomía de un mito.&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F&#252;r die, die Spanisch verstehen, hier noch ein Film: <a href="http://www.cubaverdad.net/che_anatomy_of_a_myth.htm">Che: anatomía de un mito.</a></p>
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		<title>Von: CptCR</title>
		<link>http://www.antibuerokratieteam.net/2007/10/05/kult/comment-page-1/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>CptCR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nein, der Text wird nicht alt. Allerdings sollte der n&#228;chste Post doch ein Nachruf sein, oder? Schlie&#223;lich ist heute tats&#228;chlich jemand von Bedeutung von uns gegangen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nein, der Text wird nicht alt. Allerdings sollte der n&#228;chste Post doch ein Nachruf sein, oder? Schlie&#223;lich ist heute tats&#228;chlich jemand von Bedeutung von uns gegangen.</p>
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